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aservant Champion Author California Posts:14,210 Points:1,385,990 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jun 1, 2012 11:17:11 PM Ignore aservant Report Abuse Eighteen months ago, Philadelphia entrepreneur Norman P. Zarwin opened an electric-vehicle charging kiosk at a gas station he owns on Columbus Boulevard. If he built it, he figured, electric vehicles would come. They haven’t. "There’s not a lot of use on it because there’s not a lot of vehicles," Zarwin said. Despite the enthusiasm for electric vehicles, the marketplace has not exactly caught on fire. PhillyCarShare received a $140,000 state grant in late 2010 to build 20 vehicle charging stations, but it only deployed its Chevy Volts in recent months. It will have 20 of the hybrid electric sedans in the field by the end of June. "It’s kind of an early educational period where customers are learning to drive the things," said Ned Maniscalco, a spokesman for Enterprise Holding Visit Philly.com for full article

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Eighteen months ago, Philadelphia entrepreneur Norman P. Zarwin opened an electric-vehicle charging kiosk at a gas station he owns on Columbus Boulevard. If he built it, he figured, electric vehicles would come.

They haven’t.

"There’s not a lot of use on it because there’s not a lot of vehicles," Zarwin said.

Despite the enthusiasm for electric vehicles, the marketplace has not exactly caught on fire. PhillyCarShare received a $140,000 state grant in late 2010 to build 20 vehicle charging stations, but it only deployed its Chevy Volts in recent months. It will have 20 of the hybrid electric sedans in the field by the end of June.

"It’s kind of an early educational period where customers are learning to drive the things," said Ned Maniscalco, a spokesman for Enterprise Holding
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gasokie Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:3,448 Points:1,326,225 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 11:26:14 AM Ignore gasokie Report Abuse Well we talk a good fight but last week when I went over and bought a new car, I didn't even look at an electric. I might have if they were cheaper than a conventional car and/or if the liberals would only make my neighbors pony up more of their taxes (not mine) to pay for it out of their pocket (not mine) then I would have at least looked. In my humble opinion, over the life of a car, these electrics will do OK the first 7 or 8 years -- then become a dollars/cents maintaince nightmare. Just sayin'.
remay Champion Author Houston Posts:6,968 Points:2,118,365 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 11:09:34 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse As I have stated all along, EVs are NEVER going to make it without infrastructure IN PLACE!
DrCashFlow Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:7,074 Points:1,628,200 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 5:22:49 AM Ignore DrCashFlow Report Abuse early adopters don't want to pay the high prices. payback and roi not nearly high enough
Alfied Champion Author Riverside Posts:7,945 Points:1,757,235 Joined:Jun 2001	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 5:05:12 PM Ignore Alfied Report Abuse No EV for me.
NanaNJNJ Veteran Author New Jersey Posts:280 Points:56,025 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 1:03:00 PM Ignore NanaNJNJ Report Abuse They're just so expensive! Hopefully in time the price will go down.
CVA19 Champion Author Salem Posts:2,393 Points:610,325 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 11:07:08 AM Ignore CVA19 Report Abuse These articles, bemoaning the fact that actual EV purchases aren't matching expectations, are getting tiresome. Very, VERY few people want these things (they aren't practical for most applications) and even fewer people can afford them (in spite of tax rebates and credits).
sciotosix Champion Author Dayton Posts:2,754 Points:667,100 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 9:50:01 AM Ignore sciotosix Report Abuse No surprise here.
Night Owl Champion Author Toronto Posts:7,555 Points:1,787,575 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 9:46:51 AM Ignore Night Owl Report Abuse EVs are too expensive and battery technology is too primitive.
dgerst Champion Author South Carolina Posts:2,715 Points:557,000 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 9:30:12 AM Ignore dgerst Report Abuse They are too high priced and can't go very far without a recharge.
blupupher Champion Author Houston Posts:3,555 Points:749,020 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 8:55:25 AM Ignore blupupher Report Abuse just not gonna work I'm afraid
batloverNM Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:3,938 Points:1,393,365 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 8:28:28 AM Ignore batloverNM Report Abuse It is better for the US economy to use USA made electricity rather than importing so much oil. Go electric!
mike1881 Champion Author Fayetteville Posts:1,300 Points:565,400 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 8:13:43 AM Ignore mike1881 Report Abuse Once the price of electric vehicles comes down, then these stations will be a good investment.
pscamp Champion Author Ottawa Posts:3,285 Points:475,960 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 7:41:45 AM Ignore pscamp Report Abuse tepid, I get it!
Pramodsharma Champion Author Richmond Posts:1,974 Points:388,140 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 7:14:44 AM Ignore Pramodsharma Report Abuse Don't get discouraged, Give it time
ClarkSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,083 Points:1,012,380 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 6:33:31 AM Ignore ClarkSC Report Abuse Too expensive.
36_ACRES_4_SALE All-Star Author Appleton Posts:999 Points:338,815 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 5:11:56 AM Ignore 36_ACRES_4_SALE Report Abuse :)
Pozole Champion Author Portland Posts:9,603 Points:1,595,495 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 4:59:28 AM Ignore Pozole Report Abuse ...they need to have more range, charge faster or have standardized interchangeable batteries, and cost lots less...
trinda1 Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:2,011 Points:544,795 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 3:37:42 AM Ignore trinda1 Report Abuse People are always copy cats, so just wait they'll come running needing a charge.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,265 Points:2,372,345 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 2:57:24 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse they couldnt give me one
OHMS Champion Author Orange County Posts:13,722 Points:1,692,855 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 2:32:02 AM Ignore OHMS Report Abuse The good ones will be HOT-electric chairs.
RNCII Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,482 Points:643,855 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 2:05:40 AM Ignore RNCII Report Abuse Somehow it just comes as no surprise to me that nobody needs the charging station. I saw a Chevy Volt for the first time on the road today.
BlueberryFocus All-Star Author Rochester Posts:553 Points:128,760 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 1:04:58 AM Ignore BlueberryFocus Report Abuse EVs will improve through trial and error. A time will come when their sales will take off
swkcpi Champion Author Madison Posts:1,200 Points:103,745 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:28:52 AM Ignore swkcpi Report Abuse If Nissan is "all in" for the Leaf they're going to go down. Who's going to buy a car that has such a limited range? Electric vehicles are not ready for the average consumer and that's the reason no one is buying them. Anyone who was excited about them has already bought one.
1momsunshine Champion Author Ottawa Posts:5,495 Points:1,001,555 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:28:13 AM Ignore 1momsunshine Report Abuse ok
EZExit Champion Author Phoenix Posts:10,455 Points:1,709,605 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:22:48 AM Ignore EZExit Report Abuse If electric vehicles were built for consumers, they probably would sell more. However, since they build them as shelter to funnel taxpayer money to corporate buddies, the flip side will definitely be lower vehicle sales. The Chevy Volts that they refer to in the article were hastily designed, perform poorly, and the average Joe that has to live within a budget, unlike Washington, has to make wise purchasing decisions. It's not rocket science.
hotrod_brother Champion Author Tampa Posts:12,606 Points:2,232,195 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:15:59 AM Ignore hotrod_brother Report Abuse pgerassi wrote: "Your gas car costs >10CPM. A DIY EV costs between 0.5 to 2CPM. At 15K miles/yr, thats $1,200 and up in annual "fuel" savings. Then you save even more due to the low maintenance of EVs compared to a gas car. No tune ups, radiator flushes, oil changes, air filter swaps, fuel filter changes, muffler repairs, belt changes, starter repairs, alternator repairs, nor catalytic system repairs. Less frequent hose changes." How about initial inflated costs? How about battery replacement? How about depreciation? Maybe just a few factors to also consider !!!
Tundralimited2009 Champion Author Dallas Posts:38,812 Points:1,447,425 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:14:42 AM Ignore Tundralimited2009 Report Abuse Interesting
10k Champion Author North Carolina Posts:21,262 Points:2,254,995 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:13:29 AM Ignore 10k Report Abuse $140k in a grant..wonder if i can get $140k for my solar panels..
jkpsr Champion Author New Jersey Posts:4,084 Points:1,102,880 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:13:22 AM Ignore jkpsr Report Abuse EV's are not ready for Prime Time.
72_Monte Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:7,775 Points:1,997,435 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:12:59 AM Ignore 72_Monte Report Abuse That's because true innovation is still elusive, & we haven't shaken our oil addiction.
salgood Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:4,204 Points:953,055 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:12:46 AM Ignore salgood Report Abuse Ya think - who did we really think was buying these cars.
grouch311 Champion Author Peoria Posts:6,378 Points:1,573,905 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:11:32 AM Ignore grouch311 Report Abuse the government is trying to shove these EV's down our throats and into our wallets, no thanks
hotrod_brother Champion Author Tampa Posts:12,606 Points:2,232,195 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:11:25 AM Ignore hotrod_brother Report Abuse They mean to say "Market tepid for everything, including food, shelter and the basic essentials. This country is in deep, deep BS !!!
OilOnTheCheap Champion Author Ventura Posts:2,102 Points:451,135 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:11:24 AM Ignore OilOnTheCheap Report Abuse I don’t know anybody that owns an EV outside of a golf cart.
no8c Champion Author Ohio Posts:2,809 Points:705,825 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:09:53 AM Ignore no8c Report Abuse Thanks for posting!
Mowerman08 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:4,760 Points:1,217,995 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:09:20 AM Ignore Mowerman08 Report Abuse One of Obama's nightmare for this Country!
Cachase1 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:11,455 Points:2,381,080 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:09:12 AM Ignore Cachase1 Report Abuse I have only seen one charging station here.
GassyKat Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:10,079 Points:2,069,170 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:08:42 AM Ignore GassyKat Report Abuse shocking
JSX515 Champion Author St. Louis Posts:3,714 Points:802,345 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:07:54 AM Ignore JSX515 Report Abuse Waste of time energy and money
jtfftj Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:2,180 Points:1,249,135 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:07:10 AM Ignore jtfftj Report Abuse "Tepid"? Are you nuts? Downright frigid. And please do not insult my intelligence by trying to tell me it's because there is not enough production. "Educational period"? Are you nuts? the American public has already learned all it wants or needs to know about electric cars.
windows7isfast Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:2,414 Points:492,225 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:06:28 AM Ignore windows7isfast Report Abuse cool
Bezalel Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:12,103 Points:2,291,745 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:06:20 AM Ignore Bezalel Report Abuse How many 'greenies' like Al Gore drive them instead of gas vehicles?
Quick68 Champion Author Columbus Posts:8,228 Points:1,226,775 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:06:11 AM Ignore Quick68 Report Abuse Electric vehicles & Obama have somrthing in common,they both suck.
Gas Thirsty Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,877 Points:3,229,445 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:04:51 AM Ignore Gas Thirsty Report Abuse Lower the price tag and increase the range, then EVs will take off.
otherdave Champion Author Indiana Posts:3,398 Points:1,270,135 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 12:04:19 AM Ignore otherdave Report Abuse NO EV FOR ME!
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