jacksfan
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2012 1:27:13 PM
Food Stamps Keep Going Up as Unemployment Falls
Yeah. I'm sure there's no fat to be cut.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 4:10:28 PM
"Once again our focus is in the wrong place!"
Yep it's on cutting food stamps as opposed to cutting Big Ag subsidies...
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timmyC4
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 3:58:11 PM
Imagine that... the public doesn't want it.
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 11:08:00 AM
Read that article Reb4. There is so much fraud that goes on with foodstamps it's amazing. A store owner was arrested here for buying and cashing them out. Cutting foodstamps is not the big problem. It's the fraud that goes on in the system that is taking away from those who really need it!
Once again our focus is in the wrong place!
[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 4/26/2012 12:09:16 PM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 10:59:47 AM
Jacksfan,
"Really. Of the proposed $180 billion cuts in the House Farm Bill, $133 billion comes from the food stamp program. An additional 8 million poor American adults and children would go hungry. But hey, the corn growers will be fat and happy. What's important?
That is the question, isn't it. Even in the worst economy, should the United States be a country where children go hungry, or malnourished, or both?
Cut the farm bill by eliminating subsidies for crops that are not needed or are contributing to health problems. (That would be corn, and corn.) Faced with the need to reduce health care costs, Congress should be nurturing more responsible agriculture operations that produce fruits and healthy vegetables and provide fresh foods for school lunch programs. That's how the small farms and even many large-scale operations operate. But they don't clamor for subsidies. They're not whiners."
Link to story - Farm Bill must not subsidize Big Ag at the expense of children and the poor
[Edited by: reb4 at 4/26/2012 12:01:05 PM EST]
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jacksfan
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 9:14:31 AM
"I thought Shocky was a teacher, not a farmer."
Shocky claims he's a teacher, which makes him far and away more heavily subsidized than any farmer. Yet, get this, he claims he's opposed to subsidies.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 9:14:21 PM
I thought Shocky was a teacher, not a farmer.
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jacksfan
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 4:55:52 PM
"For one, I don't think there should be subsidies for anyone."
Why then, shocky, do you continue to accept subsidies? Why do you remain involved in one of the most heavily subsidized industries anywhere? Why do you support an industry that constantly lobbies for even more subsidies?
Hmmm ... Me thinks you statement doesn't hold much water. Why not be honest, shocky? In reality, you don't think there should be subsidies for anyone -- except for yourself.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 3:58:09 PM
"Although I haven't tried pumping from two pumps and paying for one, almost all stations have video surveillance cameras to help capture people who don't pay for the gas they dispense.".
Though I haven't tried it, I do remember when I chose the wrong level once (premium instead of regular) and I was unable to change in mid stream. Had to stop the fueling, and start over with the regular transaction... So I guess I have fueled from two different grades, but that was a mistake.
ShockJock, looks like 39% of last years U.S. corn crop was used to produce ethanol...
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"You sir, are hereby drafted into the Army, so that you can travel to the Middle East and protect the oil pipelines now under attack. Or your children are. As they are likely to be caught up in the comining energy wars. "
Daurel, didn't hear that u.s. congress had enacted and the president signed into law a Draft, however maybe you could go back and supervise the protection as a private citizen.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 1:01:35 PM
Shockjock1961 wrote: "Despite our using 40% of the harvested corn crop to produce it and a despotic mandate forcing us to use it, ethanol is no closer to weening us off OPEC oil then it was 20 years ago..."
Feel free to back up your statements with links "to a respected Internet source" providing credible information on:
1. usage of 40% of the harvested corn crop to produce Ethanol
2. ethanol not being closer to weening us off OPEC oil then it was 20 years ago
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 4/25/2012 2:02:39 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 11:37:06 AM
"Do you not realize that Big Oil is HEAVILY subsidized by our government.."
For one, I don't think there should be subsidies for anyone.
Two, subsidies for oil amounts to pennies on the gallon, and a lot of the subsides they receive are the same as any other corporation receives.
Three, the country in question was THAILAND not the US....
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 11:09:14 AM
Shocky said.."Why is it short sighted NOT to mandate the use of ethanol? If ethanol becomes competitive with oil products, then people will buy it, there is no need for government intervention. That seems to be easy enough to understand...."
Do you not realize that Big Oil is HEAVILY subsidized by our government...therefore this comment makes no sense Shocky.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:56:47 AM
"You sir, are hereby drafted into the Army, so that you can travel to the Middle East and protect the oil pipelines now under attack. Or your children are. As they are likely to be caught up in the comining energy wars"
Your scenario would have merit IF ethanol was capable of keeping us from being dependent on OPEC crude. Despite our using 40% of the harvested corn crop to produce it and a despotic mandate forcing us to use it, ethanol is no closer to weening us off OPEC oil then it was 20 years ago...
[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 4/25/2012 11:57:45 AM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:52:13 AM
"Seeing as how they are so dependent upon other countries to supply their needs, it is extremely shortsighted to NOT mandate use of ethanol that they are so capable of producing"
Why is it short sighted NOT to mandate the use of ethanol? If ethanol becomes competitive with oil products, then people will buy it, there is no need for government intervention. That seems to be easy enough to understand...
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 10:24:19 AM
Thanks Reb4...
[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 4/25/2012 11:26:44 AM EST]
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James48843
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 9:31:36 AM
"..."You're extremely confused about how free-market economies work."Ok, try this one on.
You sir, are hereby drafted into the Army, so that you can travel to the Middle East and protect the oil pipelines now under attack. Or your children are. As they are likely to be caught up in the comining energy wars.
Is that part of your "free-market economy" planning?
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 9:23:54 AM
reb4 says "Silverstreaker, what would be scarier is having someone in charge that fills up from two different pumps when they got to the fueling station..."
Although I haven't tried pumping from two pumps and paying for one, almost all stations have video surveillance cameras to help capture people who don't pay for the gas they dispense.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 8:31:28 AM
"Reb4...that was a post from antiguzzle...remember? Now you are starting to worry me. Do you not remember the thread started by antiguzzle...."antiguzzle's solution"?
It was about nuclear power plants and electric cars? That WASN'T me! Scroll down and read again! I copied and pasted it."
Gamechanger2011, no i did not remember it until you pointed it out, but I did remember the fruitfly.. Unlike some here I don't post in every topic..., but thanks for pointing it out... It is funny that both of the postsings of antiguzzle were not ones I posted in... Though I did like reading some of the postings...
Silverstreaker, what would be scarier is having someone in charge that fills up from two different pumps when they got to the fueling station...
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 1:18:14 AM
Well, since you insist on starting to get insulting, I suggest you played hookey the year the class studied English Comprehension.
How do you possibly get "what they already have" from "Thailand uses about 3 times as much oil as it can produce"?
Is it truly your contention that Thailand should concentrate efforts on producing gasoline from the oil they have to import, that they should remain subservient and dependent upon other countries to supply the oil they need?
Here we go again. It has been a while since I have seen a double post caused by an edit!
[Edited by: rumbleseat at 4/25/2012 2:19:28 AM EST]
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 1:15:13 AM
Well, since you insist on starting to get insulting, I suggest you played hookey the year the class studied English Comprehension.
How do you possibly get "what they already have" from "Thailand uses about 3 times as much oil as it can produce"?
Is it truly your contention that Thailand should concentrate efforts on producing gasoline from the oil they have to import, that they should remain subservient and dependent upon other countries to supply the oil they need?
[Edited by: rumbleseat at 4/25/2012 2:18:31 AM EST]
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 11:37:10 PM
Hilarious, reb4 slams fellow anti-ethanolic antiguzzle without realizing it!
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 10:05:39 PM
Reb4...that was a post from antiguzzle...remember? Now you are starting to worry me. Do you not remember the thread started by antiguzzle...."antiguzzle's solution"?
It was about nuclear power plants and electric cars? That WASN'T me! Scroll down and read again! I copied and pasted it.
[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 4/24/2012 11:06:32 PM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 8:46:51 PM
gamechanger2011, so if you are so into electic cars, why is it you post exclusively in this area??? Odd... your take on nuclear power for charging electric... I'm not opposed to it, just not as restrictive as you seem to be."if i was in charge of things..." ohh, that is a scary thought...
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 7:45:41 PM
And another post from Antiguzzle...
"Researchers studying behavior of male fruit flies say they have found that a male fly spurned by a mate will seek solace in alcohol. The researchers believe the study may help deepen understanding of the molecular basis of addiction in humans."
"The researchers found that while flies who had successful courtship and mating showed no preference for food charged with 15% ethanol, rejected males showed a clear preference for alcohol-containing preparations. Lead author Galit Shohat-Ophir, said: "To our surprise the rejected males had much higher consumption of the food with alcohol." Shohat-Ophir said they had not expected that rejected males would show a preference for alcohol-containing food."
[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 4/24/2012 8:46:02 PM EST]
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 7:40:20 PM
kc...
"Enlighten me, because so far I'm not very impressed with "information" posted by you."
Neither am I!
But what can you expect from someone that posts "Anitguzzles Solution"
"While I have a lot of fun posting articles that challenge the wisdom of ethanol used as a fuel on here -- if for nothing else than to just irritate the small group of resident fanatics who many times allow their passion to replace rational thinking -- I do have a serious opinion on the issue.
I think we should all be using electric cars charged on a power grid fueled by nuclear power plants. No coal, no Petroleum, no ethanol, no hydrogen, no wind, no nothing. Once we learn how to fully tap into solar energy, we can close down the nuclear plants.
So if I was in charge of things, I would be directing all the government research money into battery/charging technology so we can get reasonably priced battery cars out to the public with 200-300 mile ranges. Once that is done, air pollution, noise pollution, and much of the water pollution will be a thing of the past.
And now you ask me what to do with all the spent uranium rods when they start to stack up? Send them up on a rocket; destination: the sun.
Fini"
[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 4/24/2012 8:43:40 PM EST]
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 6:41:58 PM
antiguzzle wrote: "Educating you on theories of free-markets and capitalism and how it relates to the ethanol bungle, is unfortunately beyond what I am willing to contribute. I would advise going to your local community college and taking a course in macroeconomics. There will be enough basic information in that course to wean you off any current love affair you have with the ethanol industry."
It is funny how Anti-Ethanol crowd tries to send everybody to school when they fail to explain a simple concept.
antiguzzle wrote: "It's funny how many people try to attach patriotism to ethanol when in fact the ethanol industry is anything BUT American."
I have asked you to explain to me how prohibition fits into your definition of free-market. Is this all you got? Sad.
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 4/24/2012 7:42:30 PM EST]
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antiguzzle
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 6:29:46 PM
Educating you on theories of free-markets and capitalism and how it relates to the ethanol bungle, is unfortunately beyond what I am willing to contribute. I would advise going to your local community college and taking a course in macroeconomics. There will be enough basic information in that course to wean you off any current love affair you have with the ethanol industry.
It's funny how many people try to attach patriotism to ethanol when in fact the ethanol industry is anything BUT American.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 6:20:35 PM
antiguzzle wrote: "You're extremely confused about how free-market economies work."
Enlighten me, because so far I'm not very impressed with "information" posted by you.
You can start with explaining how prohibition fits into your definition of free-market.
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 4/24/2012 7:22:31 PM EST]
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antiguzzle
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 5:59:46 PM
"Gasoline has the negative energy balance while ethanol has the positive energy balance. Why would anybody concentrate on producing gasoline?"
You're extremely confused about how free-market economies work.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 5:44:39 PM
antiguzzle wrote: "To suggest that Thailand needs to focus its production capabilities on a fuel that is less efficient to produce than what they already have is foolish."
Gasoline has the negative energy balance while ethanol has the positive energy balance. Why would anybody concentrate on producing gasoline?
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antiguzzle
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 5:08:01 PM
"Thailand uses about 3 times as much oil as it can produce. It is the 2nd largest net oil importer in Asia. Seeing as how they are so dependent upon other countries to supply their needs, it is extremely shortsighted to NOT mandate use of ethanol that they are so capable of producing.
OOPS!!!!!!!!"
---To suggest that Thailand needs to focus its production capabilities on a fuel that is less efficient to produce than what they already have is foolish.
I suspect that you were absent in class when they discussed the concept of "Production Possibility Frontier". When the test came to your desk and you saw the question asking to explain how a PPF illustrates the following concepts: scarcity, choice, opportunity cost, increasing opportunity cost, you must have said...
OOOOOOPS!!!
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 3:55:05 PM
Thailand uses about 3 times as much oil as it can produce. It is the 2nd largest net oil importer in Asia. Seeing as how they are so dependent upon other countries to supply their needs, it is extremely shortsighted to NOT mandate use of ethanol that they are so capable of producing.
OOPS!!!!!!!!
And before anybody suggests natural gas as a substitute fuel, Thailand also uses about 1-1/2 times as much as they produce.
Again, OOPS!!!!!!!!
Thailand also uses just under 1-1/2 times as much coal as they produce!
It is silly to use Thailand for your cause, when it is really an excellent example of a country that NEEDS to expand production and use of ethanol or other renewable resources.
The only energy commodity in ample supply is electricity. Guess what generates over 90% of their electricity? Fossil fuels!!!
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JustDrill4Oil
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2012 3:50:27 PM
It can.t work without guvm't subsidies. I dont like em for farmers either.
No Food for Fuel!
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