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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 12:04:29 PM
krzysiek_ck, I'll look into the proving:
reb4 wrote: "Actually I tried to get the subject back on track "Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 8:11:11 PM"
Might be a weekend project..
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 9:00:29 AM
"So from the viewpoint of ethanol production, 40% of the harvested corn crop is USED"
No. You mean from your viewpoint -- the viewpoint of an anti-ethanol propagandist. You're implying -- with the hope that if you repeat it enough, people will start to believe -- that 40% of the harvested corn crop is removed from the food chain, as in used up. You know full well that's completely false and misleading. We all know, however, that's the shocky MO, which is about as credible as Herman Cain espousing the joys of marital fidelity. Give it a rest, shocky, no one's buying your bill of goods.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 8:47:47 AM
"Again reading and brainpower. It wouldnt be a distortion if you said Ethanol AND BY-PRODUCTS (almost 1/3)"
Can you produce ethanol from the by-products? Nope. So from the viewpoint of ethanol production, 40% of the harvested corn crop is USED to produce a small fraction of our liquid fuel requirement. If you used 100% of the harvested corn crop you would still only provide a small fraction of the liquid fuel we consume in this country...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2012 8:44:10 AM
"Shocky, do you also say that you run your Prius on four quarts of oil a year"
Typical SS tactic. Make things up when he finds himself in an indefensible position...
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SilverStreaker
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:30:13 PM
"How is it a distortion when I clearly said in the original post that 40% of the corn PRODUCED was used to make Ethanol. The statement is dead on the money, with the spin being supplied by yourself"
Shocky, do you also say that you run your Prius on four quarts of oil a year? Probably, since you have no problem posting misleading statements.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 2:11:40 PM
"How is it a distortion when I clearly said in the original post that 40% of the corn PRODUCED was used to make Ethanol. The statement is dead on the money, with the spin being supplied by yourself"
So you’re saying the carryover corn from 2010 corn crop is magically all stored in a separate grain bin right and none is used to make corn-based ethanol & by-products in the future (or at least in 2011-12). Even so we are less than 8 months into the 2011-12(Sept.1-Aug.31) marketing year you claim all 5 Billion bushels of corn have already been magically used from ONLY the 2011-corn crop to make ethanol. Even more magically is the fact that you claim these bushels of corn made only ethanol. Did the by-products (ddg’s, corn oil, etc.) vaporize? If the corn ethanol by –products do vaporize than corn ethanol won’t exist since they make the industry feasible.
Talk about spinning BS like a top. It’s like trying to reason with Tommy Chong!
[Edited by: tropicalmn at 4/22/2012 3:16:38 PM EST]
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JonnyEnergyE85
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 12:55:03 PM
"How is it a distortion when I clearly said in the original post that 40% of the corn PRODUCED was used to make Ethanol."
Again reading and brainpower. It wouldnt be a distortion if you said Ethanol AND BY-PRODUCTS (almost 1/3)
It is said if a person truly believes their lies and distortions then it is not a lie to them. So Shock, I assume this is you.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 11:25:30 AM
"Of course this is a distortion"
How is it a distortion when I clearly said in the original post that 40% of the corn PRODUCED was used to make Ethanol. The statement is dead on the money, with the spin being supplied by yourself...
[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 4/22/2012 12:26:52 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 1:33:10 AM
Shocky proving liar’s figure & figures lie
“Put another way. 12.31 Billion bushels of corn were produced in 2011 of which 5 billion was used to produce ethanol.
Same math (5/12.31), same result 40.6% of the corn harvested was used to produce ethanol...”
Of course this is a distortion because actually there is a total corn supply of 13.506 billion bushels(carryover from 2010 corn crop +2011 corn crop) for the 2011-12 marketing year. Of this total 13.506 billion corn supply 5 billion bushels is expected to be used for ethanol & by products. Remember USDA had to start using the terminology corn used for Ethanol & By products(by-products including distillers' grains, corn gluten feed, corn gluten meal, and corn oil) because so many individuals & media do not understand or simply purposely choose to distort in order to advance there bogus agenda against corn based ethanol.
So the math is(5/13.506) = 37% of the total corn supply is expected to be used for ethanol & by-products( by products consisting of little less than 1/3).
Carryover of 801 million bushels of corn for next marketing year.
[Edited by: tropicalmn at 4/22/2012 2:36:10 AM EST]
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hypermiler68
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2012 3:27:13 PM
Ethanol just does not make sense...
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2012 2:10:28 PM
reb4 wrote: "krzysiek_ck, and the "ethanol-pack" keeps attacking and he keeps posting...."
I have asked him/her to provide "a link to a respected Internet source" to "back up your arguments with facts" multiple times. Yes indeed he/she keeps posting off topic.
reb4 wrote: "Actually I tried to get the subject back on track "Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 8:11:11 PM"
Actually, you have not. Like now it was not on the subject.
reb4 wrote: 'krzysiek_ck, but hey spin it any way you like... you usually do..."
Now I'm going to ask you to "back up your arguments with facts". I have the feeling that my next post on this subject will point out your lies to you again.
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 4/21/2012 3:16:00 PM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2012 1:26:02 PM
"That would be your buddy Shockjock1961 who posted the most, and all off topic. ",
krzysiek_ck, and the "ethanol-pack" keeps attacking and he keeps posting....
Actually I tried to get the subject back on track "Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 8:11:11 PM"
krzysiek_ck, but hey spin it any way you like... you usually do...
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2012 11:46:02 AM
reb4 wrote: "it's so funny who keeps this topic going the most..."
That would be your buddy Shockjock1961 who posted the most, and all off topic.
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2012 9:43:21 AM
"And you continue to post off topic ..."
That is such a funny comment in this topic...
read the link and see who started the off topic path...
This is about zimbabwe plant being closed...
it's so funny who keeps this topic going the most...
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 7:28:34 PM
Well Shocky...I guess that funny is subjective.
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 1:42:50 PM
"Your lesson was neither..."
And you continue to post off topic ...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 12:23:35 PM
"Shocky....you were giving someone a math lesson. That's why I felt the need to point out the English"
The math lesson pertained to the subject at hand the english lesson did not.
"We encourage funny and clever"
Your lesson was neither...
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 11:46:48 AM
Shocky....you were giving someone a math lesson. That's why I felt the need to point out the English. Let it go...this SITE is meant to be fun as well. I'm just having a little fun. Sorry you don't get my sense of humor. I laughed at myself for using "sight" instead of "site." I catch myself doing that all the time. Sometimes I have what I call "blonde" moments. :)
"6. We encourage funny and clever. Please don't take everything so seriously. We’re here to have fun, not argue."
[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 4/20/2012 12:49:23 PM EST]
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 11:35:18 AM
wrote: "Well, you could to at least try to make it relevant, say like keep the subject matter to ethanol, or at least subject matter which concerns ethanol."
Right back at you. You are continuing to post unrelated comments while conveniently forgetting to provide "a link to a respected Internet source" to "back up your arguments with facts".
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 11:02:03 AM
"so I could say that MOST of the posts here are off topic"
Well, you could to at least try to make it relevant, say like keep the subject matter to ethanol, or at least subject matter which concerns ethanol.
An English lesson has no pertinence to the subject of ethanol at all...
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 10:26:26 AM
Well Shocky...this topic is about an ethanol plant closing down, so I could say that MOST of the posts here are off topic.
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jacksfan
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2012 8:54:03 AM
"GC, perhaps in the future, before you make the decision to divert the discussion away from the topic at hand and towards personal attacks, you should stop and examine yourself and your posts for your own short comings..."
Such hypocricy from the king of thread hijacking. Have you no shame, shocky?
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 11:27:44 AM
Shockjock1961 wrote: "GC, perhaps in the future, before you make the decision to divert the discussion away from the topic at hand and towards personal attacks, you should stop and examine yourself and your posts for your own short comings..."
Perhaps before posting your own personal comments, you should concentrate on posting "a link to a respected Internet source" to "back up your arguments with facts".
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 11:22:19 AM
"Daurel....he can't...been there"
Actually I can... Just as I have done...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 11:21:19 AM
GC, perhaps in the future, before you make the decision to divert the discussion away from the topic at hand and towards personal attacks, you should stop and examine yourself and your posts for your own short comings...
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 10:22:29 AM
shocky...my bad...I've caught myself doing that before!
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 9:11:13 AM
"that should be "were" produced"
Sorry GC, but I was rather rushed. It's nice to know that this little nit pick is the only thing that you could find wrong with my post...
BTW, since you want to nit pick semantics, you should use the correct term "site" in place of the "sight", the term you erroneously have used several times (IE "Are there any pro ethanol supporters on this sight", or "Just checking to see if anyone on this sight is pro ethanol").
I wasn't going to mention it before, but since you seem to take great importance on making sure things like this are correct, I thought it worthy of mention...
[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 4/19/2012 10:13:44 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 9:08:47 AM
Goldseeker. I think that you posted that info before about BP owning Corexist. They were even spraying the stuff long after they told everyone that they had stopped. I think that they are still using it.
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 8:54:32 AM
"Very simple concept and arithmetic, that any 3rd grader could have figured out..."
So, shocky, you're saying you're only capable of sub-3rd-grade math? Obviously, the only thing you do in that physics department is push a broom. Even a third grader understands that you left out an important part of the equation. You know, the part that proves you're just spinning BS like a top. You know, the part that accounts for at least 1/3 of the corn used for ethanol being returned to the food chain as high-quality livestock feed. Until you're ready to include the full story, shocky, me thinks you ought to stick with practicing your numbers with your K-2 buddies.
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 8:51:30 AM
Ok Shocky..you might be a Science teacher but...
"313 million tonnes of corn was produced in 2011. Of that 127 million tonnes went to produce ethanol."
that should be "were" produced"Put another way. 12.31 Billion bushels of corn were produced in 2011 of which 5 billion was used to produce ethanol.
Same math (5/12.31), same result 40.6% of the corn harvested was used to produce ethanol..."
Should be "were" used But a link would be nice.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 8:22:32 AM
Put another way. 12.31 Billion bushels of corn were produced in 2011 of which 5 billion was used to produce ethanol.
Same math (5/12.31), same result 40.6% of the corn harvested was used to produce ethanol...
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 8:15:55 AM
Where is "a link to a respected Internet source" Shockjock1961?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 8:11:18 AM
"PROVE IT!!!"
OK, I guess I was assuming too much when I thought you could do simple arithmetic. So I will do it for you...
313 million tonnes of corn was produced in 2011. Of that 127 million tonnes went to produce ethanol.
Now pay attention Daurel, because this might get a little tricky for you...
You take the 127 and divide it by the 313...
The result is .406, or in terms easier for you to understand 40.6%.
So 40.6% of the corn crop went into producing ethanol last year.
Very simple concept and arithmetic, that any 3rd grader could have figured out...
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 6:34:17 AM
BP???? As far as I am concerned there is a huge conspiracy with the BP spill and cleanup.
Yes, Corexist is bad. It was used to cleanup the Exxon Valdez spill. Many of those volunteers are now dead.
Guess what?? BP owns the company that makes Corexist. They also own the company that did the cleanup. Kind of funny that they purchased that company 11 days before the rig blew.
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2012 5:28:13 AM
natural gas
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 9:21:16 PM
FYI...I saw "The Big Fix" last night. It's eye opening. The Gulf Spill covers at least 80% of the gulf, they just sunk it! BP used a dispersant called "Corexist" that was deemed illegal in the last 10 years in England, where "British Petroleum" is from. BP didn't hesitate to use it in our Gulf though. Many are sick from the toxic spill and dispersant. If they hadn't used the dispersant, then the oil could have been scraped off the surface, plus microbes could have consumed some of the oil....but greedy BP sunk the oil with dispersant to hide how much oil had really leaked.
The filmmakers wife has rashes and is no longer able to be in the sun, and has been advised to never have children. Birth defects are being seen in people that were exposed to the toxic oil and Corexist.
A nationwide screening is this weekend, which is the 2nd anniversary and Earth Day.
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 8:42:02 PM
Daurel....he can't...been there. That's why there are no links. It's OK though...the burden of proof is on Shocky.
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2012 7:53:28 PM
Dauruel, cool your tubes...
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 9:23:15 PM
PROVE IT!!! You demand facts from everyone else YOUR TURN!
Where? MEATSACK done with your BS BACK UP YOUR CLAIM!
[Edited by: Daurel at 4/17/2012 10:25:21 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 10:17:39 AM
"Surely you are capable of simple arithmetic?"
Clearly you're not, shocky.
% corn crop harvested for ethanol - what's returned to food chain as high-value livestock feed = actual % of corn crop used for ethanol
That's the equation, shocky. I assume you are capable of completing a simple equation?
Obviously, I assume too much, though ...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2012 8:54:04 AM
I've proven it multiple times Daurel...
Surely you are capable of simple arithmetic?
Maybe I am assuming to much though....
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 4:23:22 PM
Prove the 40% of the harvested corn crop. Shocky
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2012 9:44:54 AM
"Could you image if tomorrow Congress said no more ethanol in gasoline"
I'm glad you can recognize the fact that without the mandate there would be no demand for ethanol...
"How quickly we forget about the irreversible damage to the gulf thanks to the Deepwater Horizon. Lets send more young soldiers to fight for more oil"
That's laughable. Even with a minimum usage mandate for ethanol and the consumption of 40% of our harvested corn crop to produce ethanol, we continue to drill for oil in the Gulf and we continue to fight in Afghanistan (which has nothing to do with oil BTW). Your argument is based on an emotional premise and not on the facts at hand and is illegitimate because of this...
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2012 8:11:11 PM
zimbabwe is a mess, and likely, and though mugabe may be dying, the next in line is no better...
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Drought costs Zimbabwe nearly half its corn crop
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As for ethanol, in use in USA, yeah get more people to use the higher levels of ethanol... and price it so it has a better ratio to get people that can use the fuel in ffv.
[Edited by: reb4 at 4/15/2012 9:12:20 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2012 8:02:52 AM
goldseeker....great link! He does have a lot in common with Pinocchio!
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 11:14:48 PM
And the real problem is the redguzzle syndrome
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 10:23:00 PM
Could you image if tomorrow Congress said no more ethanol in gasoline. Immediately 600,000 Americans would be out of a job. Immediately gas prices would shoot up and our country would need 10% more foreign oil. You think gas prices are bad now think what could be.
I am not for e15 but am for e10. To move toward the future we need more pumps offering high blend Ethanol (E85)
1 thing stopping that from happrning is big oil and its lobbyists
How quickly we forget about the irreversible damage to the gulf thanks to the Deepwater Horizon. Lets send more young soldiers to fight for more oil.
But the pro Oil preachers will keep on beating their drum.
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 8:58:22 PM
RedRider1OK says "Now you need to figure out who to pay off"
You mean like the petroleum industry does?
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2012 4:54:24 PM
Here's the direct link.
Sounds like Mr. Zuze is trying hard and has heard about US and our mandates.
Without mandates, there would be little to no demand for ETHANOL and he now knows.
Tip for Mr. Zuze: Now you need to figure out who to pay off to get those mandates required.
Sound familiar?
[Edited by: RedRider1OK at 4/8/2012 5:57:49 PM EST]
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