tropicalmn
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 2:57:09 PM
"If you like ethanol in gas, use it"
"I don't, so why am I forced to use it?"
Just because you’re local gas stations made the choice to not dedicate a pump to E0 in order to pander to the potential 5 gallons a week of their local propaganda preaching Prius owner doesn't mean the government is forcing or mandating you to use ethanol.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 9:22:22 AM
"I guess, because they aren't ethanol, it is okay with you that they are forced on you, Shocky?"
Please show me the federal mandate that forces these chemicals to be used...
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 5:43:48 AM
Right on Rumbleseat. Those same chemicals get a poor rating with most elastomers that are commonly used in todays autos.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 6:02:35 PM
At least 15 HAZARDOUS chemicals occur in various amounts in gasoline, including benzene (up to 5% by volume), toluene (up to 35% by volume), naphthalene (up to 1% by volume), trimethylbenzene (up to 7% by volume), methyl tert-butyl ether (MTBE) (up to 18% by volume, in some states) and about ten others.
Benzene and many antiknock additives are carcinogenic.
I guess, because they aren't ethanol, it is okay with you that they are forced on you, Shocky?
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movrshakr
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:38:30 AM
"If you like ethanol in gas, use it"
"I don't, so why am I forced to use it? "
PRECISELY!
The answer is, because you no longer live in a free country.
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emtrob2012
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 11:35:24 AM
corn is for food not gas
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 4:16:38 PM
"If you like ethanol in gas, use it"
I don't, so why am I forced to use it?
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ranger1169
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:27:22 PM
If you like ethanol in gas, use it.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2012 1:15:52 PM
Renewable Fuel Standard - this is the most controversial aspect which mandates ethanol useage.
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movrshakr
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2012 8:52:18 PM
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If you like ethanol in gas, use it.
But why do I have to?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2012 10:45:58 AM
From the link from original posting...
"Ethanol Laws and Incentives
State and federal governments enact laws and provide incentives to help build and maintain a market for ethanol fuel and vehicles. The use of ethanol is required by the federal Renewable Fuel Standard."
Of course the bigest law was to mandate the use of ethanol.
And the ethanol industry is begging the epa not to offer a waiver due to the drought because the ethanol industry would be devastated by the impact of easing of the mandate of ethanol, which is supporting the industry...
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reb4
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2012 12:25:47 PM
here is a take on the ethanol spending for Cellulosic Ethanol Production
"But five years and more than $1.5 billion later, cellulosic ethanol production is just a drop in the bucket. "I think the study on the chimpanzees probably got a better return for investment....
Meanwhile....
Purdue university get 5.2 Million for research...new biofuel process
""We wouldn't be able to literally squeeze fuel from the plants, but it would be close," Chapple said."
[Edited by: reb4 at 9/22/2012 1:26:39 PM EST]
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movrshakr
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2012 8:08:42 PM
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Definition of ethanol: a vehicle for politicians to route money to their state and to friends and contributors.
Definition of green energy: a vehicle for politicians to route money to their state and to friends and contributors.
Definition of global warming: a vehicle for politicians to route money to their state and to friends and contributors.
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tdioiler
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2012 2:56:51 PM
If you like it so much, you drink it or the koolaid. Why should I have to when politics dig into my pocket??
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priznsara
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2012 2:26:03 PM
If motors do not like to run on enthanol, then why have federal incentive programs?
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2012 2:08:30 PM
USDA and DOE Award $41 Million for Biofuel Projects
No Comment...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2012 10:34:34 AM
That's what makes it a scam...
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nichols
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2012 9:14:35 AM
ethanol in gas is the ultimate corruption of our political system, every politician is grafting very nicely from this honey pot while all kinds of problems are inflicted on our machinery.
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Edpap
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2012 7:31:57 AM
Any business the government supports has issues.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2012 9:12:54 AM
Still plenty of incentives for ethanol in place...
Biggest is the mandate requiring 10% of fuel that is sold in U.S. be ethanol.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 3, 2012 7:21:07 PM
yes sir... the money is sure flowing in the states.. don't let the fact that there is none...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 8:45:25 AM
LOL!
So in other words ethanol producers are "so confident" that consumers want to buy their product that the only way they will build their own stations to sell their own product is if the taxpayer will pay for most of it...
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 2, 2012 7:12:42 AM
The Gas Station of the Future Just Opened - paid for by tax payers...
"Backed by more than $19 million in venture capital and nearly $12 million in grants from the U.S. Department of Energy and the California Energy Commission, the 23-person Redwood City (Calif.) startup received yesterday an additional, $10.1 million grant from the commission to help build 100 stations around the state in the next four years."
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2012 9:55:59 PM
This part is very interesting although it looks like the deadline has passed.
"Retailers are able to apply for grants for E85 pumps, ethanol blender pumps or biodiesel pumps. The Iowa Corn Promotion Board and the Iowa Renewable Fuels Association have offered to partner with retailers who install E85 or blender pumps for grand opening celebrations, providing up to $1,000 for promotional activities."
[Edited by: gamechanger2011 at 6/1/2012 10:55:40 PM EST]
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GM1954
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2012 9:19:02 PM
Gee, do you think it might be advantageous for the state of Iowa to encourage ethanol use. Iowa has a very high corporate income tax rate. If Iowa ethanol producers produce billions of gallons of ethanol, that's tens or hundreds of millions in tax revenue for the state.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jun 1, 2012 8:58:55 PM
Iowa dedicates $1 million more for renewable fuels infrastructure
"Approximately $1 million is available for this round of funding, which is the final round in a program that was awarded $3 million from the state legislature for fiscal year 2012. Retail stations are eligible to receive up to $50,000 per project if they commit to selling renewable fuels for at least five years. Up to $30,000 per project is available to retailers who make a three-year sales commitment. Distributors are eligible to receive up to $100,000, but they must commit to handling renewable fuels for five years and are also required to provide 50 percent matching funds in order to receive the grant."
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 29, 2012 4:22:53 PM
thanks, i appreciate the correction...
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jacksfan
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Message Posted: May 28, 2012 10:21:10 AM
"Why would you envy the people of a state who's government spends money promoting a needless fuel when the state government itself is on the verge of bankruptcy?"
Leave it to the self-proclaimed university guy to take the simpleton approach. Hey shocky, ever bother to look both sides of the ledger and at the return Illinois gets on it's investment into ethanol? I guarantee it's a positive return and is doing far more to keep your state afloat than you and the higher education system.
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GM1954
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Message Posted: May 27, 2012 7:32:34 AM
"WIsconsin has a break on taxes for aternative fuel (ethanol)...
"Alternative Fuel Tax Exemption
No county, city, village, town, or other political subdivision is allowed to levy or collect any excise, license, privilege, or occupational tax on motor vehicle fuel or alternative fuels"
That means ethanol AND OR gasoline. Do you have a point?
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 26, 2012 4:54:52 PM
WIsconsin has a break on taxes for aternative fuel (ethanol)...
"Alternative Fuel Tax Exemption
No county, city, village, town, or other political subdivision is allowed to levy or collect any excise, license, privilege, or occupational tax on motor vehicle fuel or alternative fuels, or on the purchase, sale, handling, or consumption of motor vehicle fuel or alternative fuels. (Reference Wisconsin Statutes 78.82)"
[Edited by: reb4 at 5/26/2012 5:57:58 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: May 26, 2012 4:41:10 PM
"But my state has no incentives for using ethanol blended gas.
I envy the Illini (sp)"
Why would you envy the people of a state who's government spends money promoting a needless fuel when the state government itself is on the verge of bankruptcy?
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Hannie59
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Message Posted: May 26, 2012 2:22:49 PM
This is the thing reb4
Alot of people wish they could get E-0 gas, but I can anywhere around where I live.
But my state has no incentives for using ethanol blended gas.
I envy the Illini (sp)
I guess it's all relative.
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 26, 2012 1:27:17 PM
For all you ethanol folks in illinois that think there's no ethanol subsidies.... think again...
Illinois raised income tax but still funding ethanol....
The Illinois Alternate Fuels Rebate Program started in 1998 and over $6 million in rebates has been issued through 2011 for the implementation of over 8,000 alternate fuel vehicles statewide. In addition, over 35 million gallons of E85 and biodiesel fuel have been consumed by our applicants.
At least, that's what they say...
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 4, 2012 8:53:12 AM
up to date information on current incentives from your federal and state governments.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2012 6:09:56 PM
Gamechanger, no problem.. I actually posted a site listing the sites of blender pumps but that feel to the wayside since people seem to be more interested in confronting each other...
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gamechanger2011
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 10:18:13 PM
Thanks for that post Reb4. I'm going to check into your link to see if anything new is available for blender pumps.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2012 10:04:06 PM
EPA approves first applications for registration of ethanol to make E15
"To enable widespread use of E15, the Obama Administration has set a goal to help fueling station owners install 10,000 blender pumps over the next 5 years. In addition, both through the Recovery Act and the 2008 Farm Bill, the US Department of Energy (DOE) and U.S. Department of Agriculture have provided grants, loans and loan guarantees to spur development of the next generation of biofuels."
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Cummins2500
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2012 1:41:28 PM
tattoo666TX,
Glad I could make you smile and based on your post I'm sure you can expect attacks from those who worship at the alter of ethanol.
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Cummins2500
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2012 1:41:04 PM
krzysiek_ck,
As I have stated many times I don't play the ethanol mix game, I've learned all about it from family and friends over the past 5 years who played the with ethanol and thus have seen, heard whats happened to them and the cost was not always cheap from trying out your so called safe E-20 to E-60 gas blends in non FFV's. FYI many of my friends and family are pro ethanol for E10 but they no longer buy into the lie that high amounts of ethanol is safe in non FFV or buy into the lie that E85 has a lower CPM compared to E-0 & E-10.
BTW I have also said I sure wish everybody could get one of them magic vehicles you pro ethanol people buy that can somehow always use high amounts of ethanol and do so without every encountering problems of any kind.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2012 12:51:41 PM
reb4 wrote: "Actually according to previous post, Krzysiek_ck uses ethanol to raise the level of octane......"
Yes, I call it cheap, as inexpensive, racing gas.
reb4 wrote: "Funny he changes the subject with goig to e30, e50, e60..."
I blend to achieve E35 and my MPG stayed the same. Others did E50 and E60 and they claim insignificant, if any, changes in MPG. On the other hand, with zero experience blending Ethanol Cummins2500 rudely tells us that he knows better.
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 4/6/2012 1:52:18 PM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2012 11:28:54 AM
Cummings2500, yes, though not sure he's a shill, though there are plenty here in this site that are... pushing the industry because of vested interest...
I wish they would just use the e85, or use greater quantities and tell everybody about thaat....
Actually according to previous post, Krzysiek_ck uses ethanol to raise the level of octane......
Funny he changes the subject with goig to e30, e50, e60...
Tatoo666TX, good luck in your testing... Love to hear your actual results.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2012 10:00:52 AM
Cummins2500 wrote: "I see at times you have a hard time reading, if you has taken the time to read what I posted you would of noticed that no where was tattoo666tx taking about E30, E50 or E60."
Since I was replying to your comments, perhaps you are the one having problems with reading comprehension.
Cummins2500 wrote: "Another thing I see your back to a basic leftest tactic of name calling when others don't sing Praises about your Ethanol"
So it is OK for you to call other names first, but it is not OK for them to return the favor. What a concept.
The bottom line, you question other people experiences with blending Ethanol, yet the only thing you can provide yourself is spin, half-truths, and lies. The most commonly used tool of any Big Oil Shill.
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tattoo666TX
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2012 9:56:46 AM
LMAO Cummins!
It is funny, being at I.T. major and all. Having friends in the biofuel programs that can't stand what some people try to say what Ethanol can do. But as many people other then you probably did not read where I use excel to track cost per gallon, cost per fill up, miles between fill ups, total average of miles and cost per mile they would not understand.
But down here we have 3 options.
1. Use (up to) 10% Ethanol
2. Use E85
3. Find a station that sells pure gas.
Now I have noticed that the ethanol content may vary. After all the pumps do say "Up to 10%" and it seems as you get further away from areas that have a mandate for E10 it seems to drop.
So the other 2 things I am working on now is how to get better mileage with my truck, which tracking a bit over 4700 miles was just over 19 mpg, abd buying a bike when the doctor lets me get my arm out of the sling from surgery!
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Cummins2500
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2012 9:39:27 AM
krzysiek_ck,
I see at times you have a hard time reading, if you has taken the time to read what I posted you would of noticed that no where was tattoo666tx taking about E30, E50 or E60.
Another thing I see your back to a basic leftest tactic of name calling when others don't sing Praises about your Ethanol, unlike you I don't worship at the alter of ethanol or believe every word spoken about ethanol. I will say ethanol has been trying the old if I tell a lie often enough other people will believe the lie as the truth and by telling the lie long enough you your self believe the lie as being the truth.
BTW with your self inflated ego you should apply for the job Grand Poobah of Ethanol Shills.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2012 8:02:31 AM
Thank you krzysiek_ck, I appreciate the posts in this topic...
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2012 7:12:24 AM
reb4 wrote: "I provided you with the link, krzysiek_ck if you want to produce a list, feel free to do so... you have failed to prove a thing...
I love that you keep bumping this to the top... with your foolish little games... Thanks...."
You fail to prove your own statements and you try to spin it other way around. Round of applause to reb4 for another failed attempt.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2012 11:06:56 PM
"Simply put, you failed again. What a concept."
I provided you with the link, krzysiek_ck if you want to produce a list, feel free to do so... you have failed to prove a thing...
I love that you keep bumping this to the top... with your foolish little games... Thanks....
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2012 3:29:44 PM
Cummins2500 wrote: "FYI according the the ethanol industry and its many shills, no way could it cost more to use E85 because E85 cost less then E0 or E10 and the shills always say they see no significance difference in mpg numbers between the fuels, just ask the experts here on GB!"
What MPG, or CPM, are you achieving when using E30, E50, and E60 Mr. Big Oil Shill? Please feel free to share your personal experiences with different Ethanol content mixtures.
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krzysiek_ck
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2012 3:22:31 PM
reb4 wrote: "krzysiek_ck, Your the one that wants everyone to make a list. Here is the site, go do it yourself...
The original posting from last August 2011 gives the US Department of Energy site listing of the Federal ethanol incentives and laws. Also provided link for each individual state.
You want a list, go produce it yourself..."
Simply put, you failed again. What a concept.
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 4/5/2012 4:23:16 PM EST]
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timmyC4
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2012 2:48:01 PM
I've tested the stuff myself with my Metro. No savings at the pump, I get 10% less fuel economy.
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