sluggopyle

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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2011 1:43:42 PM
=> Sluggopyle is wrong. 10% ethanol causes NO problems and makes engines last much longer than pure gas. <=
...Hannie needs a reading comprehension class. Maybe several. I've never opined on ethanol's effect on engine parts, anywhere, at all. In fact my last post flat out declares that my beef with E10 has nothing to do with system damage. Never did. Pretty sad when you have to invent a comment in order to refute it. Some people are so desperate to push an agenda they can't read what's right in front of them. Makes ya wonder what the agenda IS that's so compelling...
[Edited by: sluggopyle at 7/27/2011 2:49:35 PM EST]
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SilverStreaker

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2011 9:21:25 AM
armandoTN, that's another Ethanol Myth.
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armandoTN

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Tennessee
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2011 8:58:04 AM
I have heard only a couple of rumors about ethanol usage damaging vehicles. Could anybody post any links? Thanks.
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krzysiek_ck

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2011 8:48:48 AM
This is based on the study done on February 2009 - Effects of Intermediate Ethanol Blends on Legacy Vehicles and Small Non-Road Engines, Report 1 – Updated
Most likely it was done to study the worst case scenario.
[Edited by: krzysiek_ck at 7/27/2011 9:50:56 AM EST]
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reb4

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2011 8:21:01 AM
3 - 4 % less MPG per gallon with 10% unleaded over pure gas...
and majority of ethanol is forced down the consumers throats by the mandated ethanol useage in populated areas.
Majority of Flex Fuel vehicles do NOT use the E85...
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SilverStreaker

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Jul 26, 2011 4:44:26 PM
Ryanm74 asks "What is the difference in fuel economy on average using 10% Ethanol vs. regular unleaded?"
According to the US Dept. of Energy's Ethanol Myths and Facts web site, "FACT: Ethanol blends in use today have little impact on fuel economy or vehicle performance." and "today's vehicles are designed to run on gasoline blended with small amounts of ethanol (10 percent or less) with no perceptible effect on fuel economy"
I've run over 35% ethanol in my Honda CRV and over 65% in my Ford Windstar with no significant change in fuel economy. Neither car is an FFV.
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Ryanm74

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Kansas
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2011 1:02:32 PM
What is the difference in fuel economy on average using 10% Ethanol vs. regular unleaded?
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Hannie59

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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2011 6:52:32 AM
Sluggopyle is wrong. 10% ethanol causes NO problems and makes engines last much longer than pure gas.
[Edited by: Hannie59 at 7/21/2011 7:52:55 AM EST]
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sluggopyle

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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2011 10:06:01 AM
The "anti-ethanol crowd" - lol. Hey, you forgot the trademark. It's unfortunate Manitoba doesn't have the choice, but since I do, I don't touch it. Has nothing to do with system damage or proper use of agriculture, although they may have merit. I avoid it because it simply costs way too much to run due to the mileage loss. I end up burning more oil than I do with straight gas. Why would I want to do that again? Rumbleseat is correct that gasohol has been around for a decades. I remember that-- back then it was the like margarine compared to butter, the cheap bargain fuel sold at cut-rate stations that the shortsighted might be suckered into buying based on initial cost being a few cents less, and then getting what they paid for in results. That hasn't changed, only the marketing has. It's as if everybody had been forced to use margarine and you can't find butter, and now we're talking about how great margarine is. Blech. Running E10 for me would be the equivalent of having a different car. I have the one I have for specific reasons and a major one is fuel economy. I'm not about to give that up just because some bureaucrat doesn't understand what he's doing.
[Edited by: sluggopyle at 7/19/2011 11:06:54 AM EST]
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rumbleseat

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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2011 3:44:57 AM
I have used E10 since 1981 in various vehicles as old as 1974 vintage, and the Valiant I inherited from my aunt ran over 30 years without the engine being touched. Every pump in Manitoba has E10 regular, and has had for some time. To listen to the rabid anti-ethanol crowd, our highways should be littered with abandoned cars, and our shops full of dead engines. No such situation exists, and there is almost no discussion of it. It is fuel, we buy it, we run our cars on it, just as we did in the years that it was available at some, not all stations.
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sluggopyle

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2011 3:14:42 AM
=> All cars manufactured in the U.S. are required to be able to operate without problems on E-10. <= It's not humanly possible to require that. Nor do they operate without problems. I avoid those problems by avoiding ethanol, and so do a lot of other people. And for the OP --- ALL gas is unleaded, whether ethanol is in it or not.
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chemist74

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2011 6:25:47 PM
All cars manufactured in the U.S. are required to be able to operate without problems on E-10.
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